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Stroller Ban in Brooklyn

Mon, 02/11/2008 - 12:00pm by babysugar
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Do babies belong in bars? A recent article in the New York Times discussed the hot topic.

The Union Hall bar in Brooklyn put a ban on strollers, setting off a firestorm from angry motherly patrons. To learn more about the ban, read more.

As a mom, I was slightly offended when I first glanced at the article. But as I read on, I tried to put myself in the position of the baby-less folk. At times mamas are given special treatment — doors are opened for our strollers, we are invited to skip bathroom lines, and allowed to board airplanes first — so why not let bar hoppers have drinking holes to themselves?

Well, if it's early and the bar is empty, mothers might want to sit down and throw back a brewsky or chardonnay while the kids snack on bar nibbles and scribble with crayons.

Since New York, Los Angeles, and other major metropolitan cities have banned smoking, it makes sense that more parents would feel comfortable bringing their children along for a pint. It seems reasonable to me that a ban could and probably should be implemented after certain hours, say 8 p.m., but until then I think mums and tots should be allowed to come and go.

What do you think of Brooklyn's ban?

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  • AKirstin's picture
    AKirstin
    1

    Why would they even need to do this? People are taking babies into bars? But they're under 21! Sticking out tongue lol

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • isahrangme's picture
    isahrangme
    2

    Maybe the ban is ALSO to prevent drunk mothers w/ kids... the kind that forget they HAVE kids

    Mostly, I'm talking about that article that was posted recently about a mother who was pulled over for drunk driving w/ her beer fastened into a seat but her young child was just in the backseat, no seat belt and no car seat. THAT is not cool

    Although... maybe more people walk around in NYC than I know haha

    Other than that, I don't really think it's a big deal. Like you said, mothers deserve to drink, but those other people do deserve to drink in a kid-free environment.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Tami715's picture
    Tami715
    3

    My boyfriend and I used to go to a bar every Sunday morning to watch football, and I couldn't believe how many people had babies and small children running around there unsupervised.

    Bars aren't an appropriate place for kids, period.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • luckyme's picture
    luckyme
    4

    We have taken our daughter to the pub/restaurant we frequented prior to having her. Granted, this was in the afternoon for lunch. I don't know how I would feel about taking her at night when it's 21 and over. I think it would be a lot of sensory overload for her, she doesn't do well with that.

    Quite honestly though, I don't see much a difference in taking your kid to a bar than taking your kid to a sporting event. They're both loud, crazy and alcohol infused.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • CaterpillarGirl's picture
    CaterpillarGirl
    5

    good for them, so some might get offended but it keeps "bad" things from happening to the ones who shouldnt be in there.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • kitkatherine's picture
    kitkatherine
    6

    i can understand it. they are banning strollers, not kids. and if it's a lunch pub/bar, then kids could be there. but if it's a club... then no. and plus, if it's small (i dunno, this place looks small) strollers take up room they may not have.
    but babies/toddlers should not be allowed in night clubs. it's not a good environment for them.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • SugarKat's picture
    SugarKat
    7

    This isn't banning kids, but the strollers. It's not a moral thing...there's not enough room for strollers in a bar. Also, in WA you cannot bring ANYONE under 21 into a bar even with a parent. It's the law so there's no worry about strollers.

    If there's a restaurant attached to the bar, then I see it being ok, but if it's just a pub, the kids don't belong there.

    And, isahrangme, the person who strapped her beer in the car didn't strap her friend's kid in the car. Neither did her friend or other passenger. I'm not condoning it AT ALL, but you didn't get the facts of that story.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • fsquaash's picture
    fsquaash
    8

    I love my kids and I love going to bars with friends. However, moms and dads need to remember what it was like before kids. Non-parents don't want to go to bars with toddlers present. Why not take the kids to a deli or other lunch spot? Certainly, that would be more fun for the kids.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Liss's picture
    Liss
    9

    strollers take up a lot of room i am sure that is part of it. Plus babies shouldn't be in bars anyways.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • jennifer76's picture
    jennifer76
    10

    As others have said, strollers take up a lot of room! I bet a lot of bars in Brooklyn are pretty small. Besides, I could even understand if they said no kids. I have kids and even *I* like to sometimes have a quiet, totally adult environment.

    Before my husband deployed, we went out to a really nice dinner just the two of us. It was kind of annoying to pay over $100 for the two of us, try to have a nice romantic evening and there was a two year old who was tired (ours were already in bed asleep!) screaming and crying at her table, a three year old running around the restaurant and a mostly quiet but quite messy and distracting 10 month old (or so) at the next table over. If an establishment wants to say, hey we don't want that environment in our bar/restaurant/whatever, then more power to them. It is their business to run as they see fit.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • mrtruman's picture
    mrtruman
    11

    I'm confused! Is this place a bar or a restaurant with a bar area? If it's a traditional bar, why on earth would moms go with their babies?

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • macneil's picture
    macneil
    12

    I am always complaining about how restrictive life is with a stroller, but agree wholeheartedly with the comment above that says we need to remember what life was like before we had our ohsoadorabletoUS babies. We would have thought a bar was a safe place to get away from little kids and would have been a lot less fun with them there. I've taken my stroller to the beer garden of pubs last summer, and there's something about the sunny outdoors that made it seem less antisocial, but I'm having second thoughts about that now.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • kia's picture
    kia
    13

    Anyone else thinking about Sweet Home Alabama? "You have a baby, in a bar."

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • isahrangme's picture
    isahrangme
    14

    Well SugarKat, maybe you should post your source then, cuz the source that babysugar posted didn't say anything about it not being her kid or having other people in the car.

    Are they only banning strollers? I feel like it's implied that they're banning children, but I have no idea

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • carak's picture
    carak
    15

    there's nothing more annoying than someone else's kid having a fit when you're trying to eat and enjoy yourself. my parent's didn't take me and my sisters out to eat until we were old enough to behave ourselves. banning strollers in bars makes perfect sense. and to be honest, i don't see why this is a big deal. i don't think you should be drinking while you're caring for your child in the first place. it's completely irresponsible!

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Marci's picture
    Marci
    16

    Personally, I don't think kids belong in bars. If banning the strollers keeps them out, then so be it. Kids are 'monkey see, monkey do'. If they learn about going to bars and drinking from their parents, it's kind of a given they'll continue that pattern.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • karisaamy's picture
    karisaamy
    17

    Ummmm...why would you bring your child to a bar, you have to be 21 to go into a bar, it doesn't matter if you are drinking or not.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • katedavis's picture
    katedavis
    18

    luckyme- I think the difference between having a baby in a bar and at a sporting event is not the effect of the locale on the baby but the effect of the baby on the other people there. Adults go to a bar to unwind and be in a mature environment (no teenagers, no need to worry about your language...) and the presence of a baby/toddler is more likely to disrupt that than the child being at a sports event where everyone is watching a game.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • PJ PJ PJ's picture
    PJ PJ PJ
    19

    Who brings a baby to a bar? And even worse, who breast feeds their child at the bar, while ordering a martini (see the article)?!!

    See, if I go to a bar, it's to get away from children---even at lunch time.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • JessNess's picture
    JessNess
    20

    Bringing babies into bars is ridiculous. Strollers for one are a total fire hazard in a cramped space like a bar. Plus all the noise cannot be good for the ears. Plus drinking parents + strollers is not a good mixture.

    Ive been to sport bars as a kid but the rule but all kids had to leave by 6pm and if there was a big game on then kids couldnt be in there at all. I hated the bar so I had no problem leaving

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • lickety split's picture
    lickety split
    21

    i predict this will be short lived. moms will leave the strollers outside and their little darlings will be running free in the restaurant. i give it 6 weeks, lol.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • sweetnshy5282's picture
    sweetnshy5282
    22

    I think it is perfectly fine to ban strollers in a small bar.

    on another note...what are parents doing at a bar w/ their young children?! families can go and eat at a family restaurant. they do not need to go to a bar where non-children doting adults go to relax and unwind after a long day (or week).

    if moms and dads wanna go and get a drink, then they should get a babysitter first!

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Dbtabm's picture
    Dbtabm
    23

    Why on earth are you taking your baby into a bar in the first place? Is this a bar bar or more of a restaurant? If it's a bar it makes perfect sense that there shouldn't be children inside period. There's probably also some insurance concerns with drunk patrons tripping and falling over strollers.

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • PetSugar's picture
    PetSugar
    24

    Ahh, Park Slope. I've been to this bar (and several other area establishments) and my concerns come not just from the baby-in-the-bar-after-bedtime situation but because, as drinks flow, often times parents' attention is diverted from their kids... and if those kids can walk, chances are their little hands and toes can be in danger. I've witnessed (in tight bar situations), more than a few altercations if someone jostles, or tries to move, an empty Bugaboo. The stroller situation in that neighborhood is different from any other place I have ever lived – my friends with kids there actually use their empty strollers on general walks around town to carry groceries, library books, essentially anything they could put in a purse (while the kids are at home, mind you). Many times, I would joke to them that I felt out of place walking down 5th or 7th without a stroller!

    27 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • asco00's picture
    asco00
    25

    Strollers are big and bulky. I have 3 kids and I have always tried not to take strollers into restaurants.

    27 weeks 18 hours ago Report Comment
  • luckyme's picture
    luckyme
    26

    Thank you for the clarification Pet.

    I also wanted to point out that I don't think I go to the bars that are being discussed. I live in suburban Denver, so most of our bars are restaurants (Rock Bottom, Bar Louie, Lucky Strike, etc.). So yes, we do take our baby with us, and we even have a beer when we're there. We rarely go out for the night life downtown. When and if we do, I will not take my child.

    I would also like to point out that never will I ever be the type of parent that just lets their kid(s) run wild. That is rude and disrespectful no matter where you are.

    27 weeks 17 hours ago Report Comment
  • abqmama's picture
    abqmama
    27

    I don't understand why anyone would be taking their children to a bar anyway. It is completely inappropriate to have your children in that environment. Also, I would never drink in front of my kids or when they are in my care. If I want to go out and drink, I find a babysitter.

    27 weeks 16 hours ago Report Comment
  • Dana18's picture
    Dana18
    28

    IT is total unacceptable to bring a child to a bar . when people are drink you never know what would happen.

    27 weeks 16 hours ago Report Comment
  • kmckay's picture
    kmckay
    29

    also a former park-sloper, this (and pet's comment)made me laugh. you can't walk a block without bumping into a stroller! don't even get me started on trying to navigate through a starbucks!!!

    i saw parents in bars with strollers because the kid was asleep and apparently this is responsible parenting. their own decision, of course but that doesn't mean the rest of us should have to put up with no seats or aisles to walk through because of the strollers!

    and yes, sweet home alabama.... you have a baby... in a BAR?!?!?!

    27 weeks 9 hours ago Report Comment
  • minaminamina's picture
    minaminamina
    30

    As a former server, I applaud this decision - I wish they would ban kids from bars, too. Not that I have anything against kids, but it is DANGEROUS to have children running around restaurants and bars, and while many parents prevent this, a LOT do not make an effort to control their children, and don't appreciate servers telling them to keep their brats under control.

    Strollers are a safety hazard for servers also - as well as a fire hazard in a smaller establishment. I agree with this decision. Have you seen the strollers women have now!?? They're HUGE!

    27 weeks 4 hours ago Report Comment
  • Advah's picture
    Advah
    31

    Strollers are the most annoying thing in the world to me. 99% of the people with strollers just think it's fine for them to take up all the place on the pavement, or just run into you because *you* should be the one going out of their way with your 4 bags of grocery. Argh!

    I don't mind having kids in restaurants or bar, but on practical point of view I completely understand you don't want 8 strollers in your way when in a busy place.

    26 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment

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